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Many of us have been there and done that -- But lets not forget the young Troops that are doing it today.
World War II Statistics
-- War Dead - All Wars
-- Losses by President
-- Japanese were the most brutal
-- Who served in Vietnam
|UNITED KINGDOM (ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, WALES, AND NORTHERN IRELAND)||326,000||62,000||388,000|
B. Urlanis, Wars and Population, Soviet Union - the Far East; The majority of Soviet Union civilian casualties were Ukrainian.
Gregory Frumkin, Population Changes in Europe Since 1939, European estimates
I.C.B. Dear, editor, The Oxford Companion to World War II, Commonwealth
Singer and Small, Wages of War, the Americas - Ethiopia
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|1775-1783 (1)||Revolutionary War||25,324||8,445|
|1798-1800||Franco-American Naval War||20||42|
|1812-1815||War of 1812||2,260||4,505|
|1835-1836||Texas War Of Independence||704||138|
|1859-1860||Texas Border Cortina War||5||18|
|1861-1865 (2)||Civil War, North||363,020||281,104|
|1861-1865 (2)||Civil War, South||199,110||137,102|
|1898||Spanish American War||2,893||1,637|
|1900||China Boxer Rebellion||53||253|
|1917-1918||World War I||116,708||204,002|
|1918-1919||Russia North Expedition||246||307|
|1918-1920||Russia Siberia Expedition||170||52|
|1921-1941||China Yangtze Service||5||80|
|1941||North Atlantic Naval War||141||44|
|1941-1945||World War II||408,306||670,846|
|1945-1947||China Civil War||12||42|
|1954||Matsu and Quemoy||3||0|
|1957-1975||Vietnam War||58,219 (4)||153,356|
|1964||Panama Canal Riots||4||85|
|1967||Israel Attack/USS Liberty||34||171|
|1987 (3)||Persian Gulf||148||467|
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This entry was instigated by an e-mail going around that claimed to show more military died under clinton that in the gulf wars.
I'm the last person on earth that would defend clinton - but I have a real problem with e-mails with bad data. No one has to stack numbers to know clinton was and still is a traitorous asshole, demonstrating against the US war in Vietnam while he had run to England, cowardly escaping the draft, and thus giving aid and comfort to the communist north. By the communist Vietnamese own words war protest encouraged them to stay in the fight, killing many more US Troops in the process. Today he is still costing the tax payers huge amounts, and as before doing nothing to earn it. Don't forget that clinton bombed the Serbs in support of Muslims - among the most stupid things that has been done by any president ever, except for Carter whose idiocy is beyond words.
We know that clinton almost destroyed the military - but Bush has had 6 years to build it back up and as far as I know not one extra Trooper has been added to our overall force strength since he has been in office.
The data below is direct from DOD. These data are thru 2006. Losses are compared by military population.
Ratio of troops Lost by population: The smaller the number, the greater the loss.
When ranking by number of losses: Reagan has the highest
losses, then Bush Jr., then Clinton, then Bush Sr.
What I find interesting is that for 5 years at war only 3331
have died by accident , the lowest of all accidental deaths. Still
I wonder how in hell we can be having that many accidents.
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were the most brutal
In WWII the Japanese were the most brutal of armies - even outdoing the Russians in their cruelty. We did not attack Japan, Japan’s surprise attacked on us wiped out the US Fleet in Hawaii and killed over 2000 of our men there.
The Bataan death march murdered, and I emphasize murdered, more that 650 of our soldier POWs, by shooting, bayoneting, or beheaded. 12000-18000 Philippians are unaccounted for, of that number 5000 - 10000 Philippians are estimated to have died on the march. Then within 4 months of reaching camp O’Donnell 1500 more Americans died. By July 1942, 25000 Philippians had died. All of the deaths were the direct result of malnutrition on Bataan, disease, and the atrocities committed by the Japanese. During the first nine months of Cabanatuan's existence, the vast majority of the camp's 3,000 American deaths occurred, most of these shipped in from the Bataan death march and camp O’Donnell.
The Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese.
They used people as guinea pigs in medical experiments.
During the battle for Manila, when surrounded and having sworn to fight to the death, they took their frustration out on the civilian population, shooting, bayoneting, and slicing, according to war trials, they murdered an estimated 100,000 civilians.
Don’t forget China where their brutality and inhuman actions Killed 2.5 million military and murdered 7.5 million civilians.
Why have they not paid reparations for their atrocities as the
Germans, who killed fewer people, are still doing.
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In the event you have busy
getting along with your life these past few decades since you returned
from Vietnam, the clock has been ticking. The following are some
statistics of interest...
"Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam; less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 54 years old."
Only 1/3 of all the U.S. Vets who served in Vietnam are still alive. This is the kind of information we are used to reading about WWII and Korean War vets. So for the last 14 years we have been dying too fast and, perhaps, only a few will survive by 2015...if any. If this is true, 390 Vietnam Vets die every day, on average. So in 2190 days from today, you're lucky to be a living Vietnam Veteran.....
The following statistics were taken from a variety of sources, including The VFW Magazine, the Public Information Office, and the Forward Observer
STATISTICS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS:
* 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).
* 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964-March 28,1973).
* 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam, this number represents 9.7% of their generation.
* 3,403,100 (Including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the broader Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters).
* 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1,1965 - March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.
* Of the 2.6 million, between 1- and 1.6 million (40-60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack.
* 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam .
* Peak troop strength in Vietnam : 543,482 (April 30, 1968).
The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He was with the 509th Radio Research Station. Davis Station in Saigon was named for him.
Hostile deaths: 47,378
Non-hostile deaths: 10,800
Total: 58,202 (Includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties).
Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.
8 nurses died -- 1 was KIA..
61% of the men killed were 21 or younger..
11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old.
Of those killed, 17,539 were married.
Average age of men killed: 23.1 years
Enlisted: 50,274 22.37 years
Officers: 6,598 28.43 years
Warrants: 1,276 24.73 years
E1: 525 20.34 years
11B MOS(Infantry) : 18,465 22.55 years
Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.
The oldest man killed was 62 years old.
Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1% (national average 58.9% for every 100,000 males in 1970).
Wounded: 303,704 -- 153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care.
Severely disabled: 75,000, -- 23,214: 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations.
Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than Korea .
Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII.
Missing in Action: 2,338
POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity)
As of January 15, 2004, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for from the Vietnam War.
DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS:
25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII).
Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam .
Reservists killed: 5,977
National Guard: 6,140 served: 101 died.
Total draftees (1965 - 73): 1,728,344.
Actually served in Vietnam : 38% Marine Corps Draft: 42,633.
Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.
RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND:
88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races.
86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics);
12.5% (7,241) were black; 1.2% belonged to other races.
170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam ; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there.
70% of enlisted men killed were of Northwest European descent.
86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black; 1.1% belonged to other races.
14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks.
34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms.
Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.
Religion of Dead: Protestant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none -- 6.7% SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS:
Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.
Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.
76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds.
Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds.
Some 23% of Vietnam Vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations.
79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. 63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.
Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South -- 31%, West --29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.
DRUG USAGE & CRIME:
There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group. (Source: Veterans Administration Study)
Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.
85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.
WINNING & LOSING:
82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of lack of political will.
Nearly 75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.
97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.
91% of actual Vietnam War veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country.
74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.
87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem...
INTERESTING CENSUS STATISTICS & THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE "Been There":
1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August,1995 (census figures).
During that same Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country was: 9,492,958.
As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511..losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00. That's 390 per day.
During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE Vietnam vets are not.
The Department of Defense Vietnam War Service Index officially provided by The War Library originally reported with errors that 2,709,918 U.S. military personnel as having served in-country. Corrections and confirmations to this erred index resulted in the addition of 358 U.S. military personnel confirmed to have served in Vietnam but not originally listed by the Department of Defense. (All names are currently on file and accessible 24/7/365).
Isolated atrocities committed by American Soldiers produced torrents of outrage from anti-war critics and the news media while Communist atrocities were so common that they received hardly any media mention at all. The United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy. Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences while Communists who did so received commendations.
From 1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725 Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on leaders at the village level and on anyone who improved the lives of the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and school teachers. -
Nixon Presidential Papers.
For the first 15 years of its existence,
members of the 45th Infantry Division proudly wore on their left
shoulders an ancient American Indian symbol of good luck, most
commonly referred to as the swastika.
The insignia served as recognition of the great number of Native Americans proudly serving in the 45th Infantry Division. The yellow swastika on a square background of red symbolized the Spanish Heritage of the 4 Southwestern states that made up the membership of the 45th—Oklahoma, New Mexico, Colorado, and Arizona.
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A similar symbol was adopted by the Nazi
party in the late 1920’s, and when the N.S.D.A.P. rose to power
in 1933 the symbol became so closely associated with fascist
socialism that it had to be abandoned as the insignia of the 45th
After a period of time the 45th had no Symbol. Then in 1939 the Thunderbird design was officially approved by the War Department.
The approving document stated the Thunderbird was a Native American symbol signifying "Sacred bearer of happiness".
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